Area 1 Committee Meeting Minutes
March 21, 2006
Designated Federal Official
- Gorga, Peter New York, NY LTA
Committee Members Present (These attendees count
for quorum)
- Barry, Shaun — Franklin Square, NY
- Epstein, Harvey — Lee, NH Vice Chair
- Gadon, Harold — Cranston, RI
- Guthman, Michael — Westport, CT
- Hom, Gim — Acton, MA
- Margulies, Howard — North Easton, MA
- Parra, Luis — Bronx, NY
- Searleman, Sanford — Glens Falls, NY
- Zgoda, Bruce — Clarence, NY
Committee Members Absent
- Havey, Dorothy — Lincolnville, ME Chair
TAP Staff
- Jenkins, Audrey — Brooklyn, NY Analyst
- Odom, Meredith — Brooklyn, NY Secretary
- Ramirez, Sandra — Brooklyn, NY Manager
Welcome
Roll Call (quorum has been met)
JC Report Out
Ramirez provided members with an update on the Joint Committee
(JC) meeting. The committee’s concern about whether
the new Quality Assurance subcommittee process would cause
delays in review of submitted recommendations to the JC was
raised by Chair Havey. The JC will try this new process and
if it does not work well, they will review it and make changes
as necessary. Epstein noted that Havey sketched out a sample
timeline showing the timeframes from the time a recommendation
goes to the full committee until it gets to the Joint Committee
which was shared with the (Area1) committee.
Subcommittee Report Outs:
Subcommittee 1
The subcommittee had a meeting on March 10th. In an attempt
to align their meeting date with the full committee/joint
committee meeting date the subcommittee has changed its meeting
time to the first Friday of the month rather than the second
Friday of the month. Thus, the next subcommittee meeting will
be on April 7th instead of the 14th. The Forms W4 and W4P
issue which was a two part issue had the VITA aspect referred
to that issue committee which accepted it. The remaining aspect
was referred to the Ad Hoc issue committee which did consider
it. The outcome was that the IRS agreed to add a statement
to the W4 referring filers to the Form W4P in the event they
may need to file that.
Epstein feels the Form W4 has to be modified to include
retirement income. Ramirez spoke with the manager of the Ad
Hoc, who spoke with the Ad Hoc program owners and they are
open to reconsidering the issue. Hom, who is a member of the
Ad hoc committee, noted that the program owners explained
that because the Form W4P impacts only a small number of individuals,
that the benefit of changing the W4 was outweighed by the
probability that the change would burden and confuse the vast
majority of W4 filers. The program owner also noted that when
a person retires and receives pension income, by law, they
will have the income taxes withheld unless they request not
to have income tax withheld.
Epstein stated the Form W4 does not include retirement income
when determining the correct or best withholding for a retired
person with a job. If you get a pension, the pension income
is not counted and you are withheld at a much lower rate.
A lot of retired people take jobs because they find their
retirement income is inadequate. When they do so, the withholding
is inadequate for them and they have to pay a large amount
of tax at the end of the year. Epstein recommends a change
to the W4 form so that wherever reference is made to the two
earner or two jobs it also includes consideration of retirement
taxable retirement income as a second income source.
Other issues: Forms 1098 and 1096 issues are in progress;
the subcommittee is waiting for some data and will be continuing
working these at the next subcommittee meeting.
Subcommittee 2
Hom stated the subcommittee met and discussed the draft of
the Schedule D recommendation. Suggestions were made to strengthen
the proposal before summiting to the full Area 1 committee.
The capital loss carryover will help in the calculation in
the following year’s tax return. If you look at Form
8606 regarding deductible vs. non deductible IRAs they actually
do use the carryover line concept. 433D issue: Installment
agreements do not show enough information for the taxpayer
to know how much is really owed to the IRS (specifically how
much interest is being charged). Stall letter issue: didn’t
get sense of support for the issue but committee will look
at issue at subsequent meetings.
New Issues & subcommittee assignments
Ramirez explained the purpose of sharing the issues with the
committee; which is so that the committee can discuss and
decide whether they should accept each or not (drop it) and
then, if accepted, whether it will be actively worked or placed
in the parking lot for future further consideration, combined
with another issue, etc... Gadon requested that the date of
the contact be noted in the future. Jenkins then read each
of the seven issues received as a result of taxpayers contacting
TAP via our toll free and web site. The committee discussed
each one as a group and arrived at the following decisions
on each:
- Issue #3690 – IRS should stop attacking Churches
– Searleman noted IR bulletin 2006-036 which recently
discussed 501(h) organizations (churches). This revenue
ruling is about allowing churches to do some political activity
(which is normally forbidden in order to maintain exempt
status). After discussion, Epstein noted that it should
be placed in the Parking Lot for tracking
to see if other similar complaints come in. No one disagreed.
- Issue #3758 – Form 1099 fileability – This
issue is the same one being worked by subcommittee 1 with
respect to Forms 1099 and 1096 so it will be made Active
and assigned to Subcommittee 1.
- Issue #3486 – Caller suggested a change to the
Earned Income Tax Credit Worksheet B for 2003 to prevent
unemployment compensation from being entered into the calculation
for earned income. Caller was not accurate in her statements
as unemployment income is taxable income so the committee
decided to Drop.
- Issue #3607 – IRS sends envelopes to make estimated
payments. It should not say on the envelope to remember
to include your SSN. Members noted that the envelope is
addressed to the IRS so it’s obvious that the SSN
and other personal information are contained within so committee
decided to Drop.
- Issue #3678 – Levy release requests taking too
long. The caller made some complaints about working with
IRS but was not clear as to what the actual problem(s) were
and with whom. For example, was payment made and a levy
still took place? Gorga noted that by law the IRS cannot
levy before the 30th day and procedurally the IRS waits
another 15 days before taking action. Jenkins is to call
the taxpayer for clarification and the issue will be reconsidered
next month.
- Issue #3707 – Caller suggests IRS better train representatives
answering the tax exempt/nonprofit toll free phone line.
Epstein asked whether there was a way to register such complaints.
Gorga said each operating division keeps customer satisfaction
survey results and statistics. Gorga suggested it could
also be referred to Nina to include in her report since
it’s a hard issue to quantify. Members had mixed feelings
about the issue so acting chair Epstein agreed it should
be dropped.
- Issue #3701 – Tax Fax Service was terminated which
is inconvenient for those without internet service. Jenkins
read a brief IRS report on the dropping of this service
by IRS in October 2005 due to reduced use and its cost with
e-services filling the gap. The committee decided to drop.
Member Outreach Activity/Town Hall Meeting
Gadon did outreach to AARP and SPEC. He is also working on
the May Town Hall Meeting in Cranston, Rhode Island.
New Action Items
- Subcommittee 2 will meet April 11, 2006
- Subcommittee 1 will take Issue #3758- Form 1099’s
- Jenkins will contact taxpayer for Issue #3678 to clarify
issue
- Jenkins to update the status and history of each issue
reviewed today on the TAP database.
Public Participation
No public participation
Meeting adjourned 10:00AM
Next Meeting
4/18/06 @ 9:00AM
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